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and welcome to the show on Martin Willis

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your host and we have a great guest a

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timely guest I should say tonight Bryce

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Sable Bryce has been

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he has joined up with

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uh Ross coldheart of the need to know

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they have this show called The need to

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need to know I sat in uh Bryce's living

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room a few years ago and he was talking

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about starting this whole thing that was

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a very interesting evening is a very

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interesting gentleman and uh I can't

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wait to talk to him tonight but I always

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like having him on the show

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and if you haven't seen the need to know

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podcast uh the link is in the show notes

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it's a really great uh show done I think

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it's every week I do catch it it seems

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like every week with uh Bryson Sable and

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Ross coldheart now Ross has broken the

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big major story uh that came out I'm

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sorry this is uh I'm trying to get to a

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graphic here and let me see if I can

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find it oh yes uh hopefully you have

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watched the full interview of David

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grush that is also linked in the show

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notes in the text of this show if you're

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on YouTube but I'm waiting actually

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waiting for Bryce to come in he had to

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reboot his computer so he should be here

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um very soon so I have a I have a lot of

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questions to ask Bryce you know he did

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spend some time with David rush they

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went out to dinner I believe and spent

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some time together so I'm really looking

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forward to talking to them asking them a

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bunch of questions and if you are

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if you are in our

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chat uh and you want to ask a question

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please make it a good one and

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let's see I'm just trying to figure out

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my camera settings here while I'm

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waiting for Price uh so anyway if you

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have some questions please put them in

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caps if they're relevant and I can ask

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the questions I will I did have some

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people send me some questions for him so

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since this whole thing broke

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um a lot if you haven't listened to

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Ralph Blumenthal he was on Friday I did

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a special show with him on Friday you

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can see that on our YouTube channel and

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our podcast feed as well

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and so that was an interesting uh

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interesting chat and I'd like to find

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out more about what is happening out

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there since this has broken I I gotta

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tell you I have been uh disappointed at

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uh I'm just going to bring this up I'm

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very disappointed and when you see

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headlines like this right here

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uh this just came out today the New York

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New Yorker I think it is our New York

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Magazine The Whistleblower is back with

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more crazy claims that's the headline

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that's not what we need we don't need

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this type of thing to happen uh but it

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was a very if you haven't caught the

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full interview he does say some pretty

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fantastic things but I'm not um you know

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mind I hope I hope you can too like for

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instance he talks about the Vatican was

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it on the UFO cover cover up back in

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1933 supposedly there was a crash in

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magenta and there that uh was actually

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housed at the Vatican that was part of

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the claims there may be massive crafts

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well if anyone has listened to this show

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for any amount of time uh we've heard a

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lot of people talk about that the size

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of football fields and larger the

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Phoenix Lights for instance people that

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actually saw a structured craft uh

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could be miles long not just you know a

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football field but miles wide and when

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people say to me

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on the show and otherwise that uh well

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it's just like a black project that's in

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its uh you know a secret project that we

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have we're flying these things around

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with no sound or whatever it is

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something's like a football field

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uh wide where are they housing these

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things and why are they flying in the

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public where people can see them so I

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don't know you know I'm I'm kind of uh

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on defense about it but I don't think I

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really don't think they're government I

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mean I it just seems that we would have

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absolutely know something by now you

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know I have spoken to

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uh a a friend that talks about seeing a

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huge huge triangle and that was 1977 and

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it floated it made no sound it was over

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her car her aunt was there

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and uh it's an amazing story back in

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and if they had that technology back

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then wouldn't you think that we'd know

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about it by now somehow someone would

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leak it that oh we have this craft it's

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the size of a football field or larger

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and it it travels without using uh any

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known propulsion

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and it's it's quiet and

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uh yeah we have this craft stored away

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or something you just think it would be

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you know the the technology would be

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talked about by now is what I'm getting

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at I see Bryce

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but I don't see Bryce I see a blank

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screen price down below I'm hoping um

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I'm gonna see his camera go on and all

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that so he should be on up there he is

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the one and only Bryce zabel welcome to

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the show Bryce

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I just want to explain to everybody it's

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been a hectic few days as you might

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imagine but the other thing is I've

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learned uh through the podcasts that

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I've done with Ross coldheart who is on

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the other side of the planet that one of

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the things we always have to do is I

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can't use Safari I have to use

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um Chrome and I also have to reboot the

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computer so that we're in sync so we

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so I had to do that and you know it

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takes a while you can't hurry a computer

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anyway my apologies I'm here

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um yeah and I appreciate you having me

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on thanks so much yes uh Bryce I was

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talking earlier about I had such a

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pleasant visit with you when I was out

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there a couple years ago and yeah we had

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some some of the most amazing

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conversations I've had in my life were

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right in your living room late at night

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really enjoyed it a lot conversations

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that must never ever be put on the air

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no I'm kidding about that yeah you know

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when you do a podcast as you well know

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almost anything that your brain thinks

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your mouth can say yeah yeah that's true

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especially when you're live you got to

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watch it yeah yeah totally yeah so you

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one in particular but let me show you

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the one in particular I just the

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headline of this one is just terrible

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whole thing would go

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um and no one that's you know wants this

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to move forward wants to see things like

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the UFO whistleblower is back with more

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crazy claims New York Magazine wow yeah

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frankly in life you take what you get

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what it what it really is though is

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ignorant it's probably written by

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someone who knows very little about the

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topic and if if nothing else it

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misunderstands exactly what Dave crush

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he's yes he's making claims but he's

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stating that he is a highly classified

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uh individual who's been working inside

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our government and he's telling this

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story and he's told it in detail with

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documents with names dates Etc to Senate

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intelligence Community who described his

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thinking about probably not uh probably

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article and you know everything

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there's momentum here and I call this

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show the momentum you know of and I

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believe there is and I hope I'm hoping

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it stays in a positive uh momentum and

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just now just released was the

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unclassified uh document of the

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complaint and I have that that's going

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to be in the show I already have it in

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the show notes and you can you can read

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it there so uh yeah so that that was I

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actually read I have read that about uh

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maybe a month ago yeah yeah so no it's

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it's uh it's it's a very exciting time

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and I gotta say you know here when I was

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watching the full interview I was

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well I hope Ross really asks you know

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this in the asset and you know what he

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did he asked anything that I could think

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of and things that I couldn't think of

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he he did an excellent interview and and

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he put him to task on a number of things

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because it's an extraordinary claim

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absolutely and you you have to do that

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and you know I I do think we do need you

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know to have a skeptical balance I think

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Mick West goes overboard I don't want to

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give him any credit for anything when it

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comes to this I will give him credit for

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some of the things just one one thing

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there's there's two words at play here

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there's skepticism and then there's

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debunking debunking right yeah

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skepticism is something that everybody

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in their life should have about

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everything right you know we we need in

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order to go about being a successful

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living being or a citizen you have to

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have a certain amount of skepticism but

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uh there are certain people out there

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and I'm not going to get into nail you

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know naming everybody but the truth of

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the matter is we we have so many

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people who literally are just out to

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make their point as opposed to study the

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issue so right I'm sorry I'm sorry that

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happens but I must say both Ross and I

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were well aware that it was going to

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happen on this story because obviously

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people are out there and and people

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would love it listen I would have loved

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it if uh when I met Dave grush he said

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and I got a piece of the spacecraft out

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in the trunk of my car if you want to go

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look at it and by the way let me show

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you my phone here I have a picture of an

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alien that you by the way you can see

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that Ross goldthart is calling me right

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now hey Ross so he's gonna have to yeah

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cold art you're gonna have to worry if

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you want to yeah I'm sorry yeah no

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that's fine that's what like that's what

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you get with a live show you get uh yeah

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you get colder you muted your phone

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anyway that's good yeah exactly yeah

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yeah I see you have Wilson in the

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background I forgot about that I do have

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Wilson in the background yeah uh

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I I don't know you know a few years ago

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I just uh I I I just thought it would be

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fun and I thought I wonder if you can

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get a Wilson so just out of curiosity I

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searched for Wilson volleyball

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um from the movie on on uh Amazon and

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there it was you can get one yourself

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today I don't make any money from this

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but I do love my Wilson yeah yeah that

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was uh that was tragic when he lost it

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overboard

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um yeah uh so there's some questions

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some people were nice enough

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to send some questions in but of course

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I have you know some that I have thought

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of and first of all

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um well while we're just focusing on the

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negative I want to get through that yes

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and of course another thing today I

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listened to uh I listened to a podcast

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occasionally by Sam Harris and uh today

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I was very disappointed to hear him say

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that you know the internet is a place

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with wild conspiracy says now we even

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have aliens that land here

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and it was like ah so another thing

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here's a scientist again not looking

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into it at all just seeing it on the

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surface and just counting it right away

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that's that's what I see in this

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situation and unfortunately that's what

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we're going to see in a lot of

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situations out there with people uh you

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know for instance I was on on a deck at

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a lake the other day with my sister and

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her

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um daughters my nieces and I started

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talking about this and they started like

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giving me that look you know it's crazy

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Uncle Marty you know type of look so uh

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you know Marty Martin I I call that uh

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for years I've been saying I've I've on

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this this subject I'm I've often been

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treated as the drunk uncle at the

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wedding so you've just invoked that and

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and it still happens not as often

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um I do in in addition to having people

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who will still treat me as the drunk

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uncle I do have a whole

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growing amount of friends who literally

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will see something uh well I think the

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thing that's ironic is they'll see an

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article that of course I've read because

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I'm like you I have to stay up on all

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this stuff as if I'd never seen or heard

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of it you know by the way I thought you

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might want to see you know and I'm

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getting that too from friends like on

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the outside the nice thing is they send

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it because they say I want to know what

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you think about it so yeah at least

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there's a uh growing curiosity that uh

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is is coming around this and and among a

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lot of people who pay attention there's

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an increasing awareness that you have

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something very very real is indeed

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Happening Here

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right and uh by the way I love your

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podcasts I gave it a plug when we first

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started you did thank you I'm very

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grateful thanks again yeah yeah it's a

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it's a great one you guys just have it

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you know you have what it takes and and

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uh uh you know Ross does such a

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wonderful job on his end it's really

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great uh so I guess someone said that

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when I call the man back

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yeah

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okay uh when did you first hear uh Dave

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David grush's name uh how do you

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pronounce it it's not when did you first

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hear it oh yeah well you know what it is

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funny I do hear a lot of people calling

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him David groosh uh it's uh and it's

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spelled uh

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g-r-u-s-c-h not g-r-u-s-h so now you

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know David grunge and it rhymes with

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Brooke

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so when did I first hear about David

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Crush that's actually

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um not a completely simple question

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um Ross and I've been doing need to know

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for

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um something like 18 months now and

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we're pretty close we talk often

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um we share information and I knew and

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do know about many of the people that

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he's talked to and I've been he has not

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spoken only to to

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um David grush by the way he's talked to

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many people over that time period that

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I've known him and then of course before

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that so I've been hearing the rumbles of

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what grush represents without

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specifically knowing it was a man named

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David grush

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um that changed uh fairly recently and

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then

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so that I I heard about it through raw

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sort of briefing me about his

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investigations as I tell him what I'm up

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to

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important obviously

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um he came out to Los Angeles uh to

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interview David grush on camera and uh a

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deal had been struck to have news Nation

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shoot it which by the way answers

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people's question why can't I see all

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the raw tape right now well because news

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Nation shot it not us and they control

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the first bite of that Apple now

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interestingly enough though uh that was

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May 9th so on May 9th in a North

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Hollywood Warehouse uh Ross Colt art sat

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down with David grush about three to

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five cameras by my count they spent two

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hours doing the lighting they set it up

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beautifully and as you saw it was

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wonderfully recorded the day before that

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May 8th

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um I met David grush in person for the

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first time and literally

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the man came to my house all right and

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we recorded what we call the safety

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interview

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um

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let me explain we were concerned of two

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things that possibly on May 9th uh David

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might have changed his mind or gotten

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pressured or whatever and decided not to

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do it period

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or we were concerned that we showed up

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at that North Hollywood warehouse and

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were met by agents of some

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institution telling us that the

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interview was not going to happen so for

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for protection we recorded uh another

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interview with David grush that was sort

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of just uh like I said a safety put that

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one away in case something happens to

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the news Nation one so

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um we actually interviewed Dave grush

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twice uh once on the eighth kind of

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informally

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um my son actually shot that who is a a

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film director yeah I met a people French

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on it and you met him I think you met my

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son his film is is done and I said and I

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knew he had the equipment I said get

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over here right away so he came over and

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we we recorded it on the spur of the

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moment and then of course May 9th was

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the was the big one that's kind of a

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long answer to when did I first hear

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about David rush but that's kind of how

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it went down yeah and uh you know

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there's a question already in chat about

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the Las Vegas thing and I think that's I

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had a long conversation today with uh

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Ben Hansen and part of that was it's

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about that which you know it seems like

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it's shaping up to be a hoax

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um so but nobody you know it's not I

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want to keep an open mind about it

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um but it looks like that's probably

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most likely a hoax unfortunately it's

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it's certainly unfortunately is correct

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I I part of the look there will be

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hoaxes or there may be anomalous events

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that uh need more investigation and

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possibly this is one of those but I

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think the problem

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it's not really a problem it's just

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unfortunate as you said it's unfortunate

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that it happened at the same time the

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rush interview was um yeah because news

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organizations tended to go oh great

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we're going to talk about UFOs and

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aliens boom they go into the same pot

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and they get conflated so I I thought

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that was unfortunate in the same way by

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the way that the um

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Stephen Greer uh uh uh Stephen gurr

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event at the national Press Club that

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took place the day after the rush

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interview aired you know that's

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unfortunate timing uh Ross and I didn't

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pick that timing news Nation decided

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when they thought that the the full

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finished product should air

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um and and uh obviously it aired the day

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before the the Greer thing but it's

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unfortunate because all of those stories

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could could stand breathing on their own

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it would be nice if if Crush was taken

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for exactly what he was and debated

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without the other external stuff and it

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would be nice frankly I'm sure Stephen

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Greer would say the same thing he

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probably would have wished in an ideal

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world that what he was saying would be

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taken at its own uh value in the moment

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but that's not the way the world works

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yeah we're gonna say there's aliens

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crashing in Las Vegas at the same time

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the rush interviews airing at the same

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time the Greer thing has happened

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happening that's um on one level it's

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unfortunate as we said but on the other

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level it shows there are people talking

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about this topic so right yeah I want to

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I want to sort of tease something a

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little bit here but I have to be careful

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and that is

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um this whole story has uh well I should

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backtrack a little bit about three years

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ago I was contacted by someone that said

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he had a friend in the military that

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actually Came Upon something a situation

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and you know he does not want to talk

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about it well because of what Dave Rush

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has done has made him feel like this is

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the right time beautiful so that's what

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we're hoping more of these type of

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things will happen I'm going to meet on

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the other hand um it can also work the

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other way uh somebody who's thinking of

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talking sees how grush is being treated

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and says I don't want any part of that

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one of the one of the things that Ross

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and I have become aware of and I I don't

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want to speak about this beyond the the

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general at this point but there

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certainly are other whistleblowers there

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are other people yes but other stories

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from inside the government who have

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taken advantage of the National Defense

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authorization act passing with all that

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language protecting whistleblowers who

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have in fact brought their stories

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forward who have told them to the uh

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intelligence Community Inspector General

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who have in many cases told them to

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Congress

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and in a an allusion to what you just

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said

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um some of those people were literally

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waiting to see how Dave Crush got

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treated did he get dismissed did he get

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embraced and I guess I would argue sure

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it's about what we could expect he was

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both dismissed and embraced

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we'll see how things progress you know

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after they have the hearing something I

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don't think is is uh talked about enough

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and I would like to really

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focus on this one phrase and that is if

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he indeed was lying about this whole

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thing under oath he could spend up to

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five years in prison absolutely so

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that's a very I think that's a powerful

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statement that has not been said enough

545
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:17,880
you know clearly

546
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,600
um

547
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:21,480
well look having spent the time I I did

548
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,159
with Dave grush I can tell you my own

549
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:25,559
personal opinion is that guy ain't lying

550
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,860
I mean he he's telling a story that he

551
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,900
experienced now you could say well maybe

552
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,460
he didn't really experience it maybe

553
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,159
maybe they're gaslighting him or maybe

554
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,200
he's mentally deranged or whatever well

555
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,059
those are a lot of maybes but one thing

556
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,000
I will tell you is that his story his

557
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:45,120
credentials check out perfectly and you

558
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,679
don't have to take my opinion nobody's

559
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:49,140
arguing that yeah every everybody that

560
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,780
looked at his story uh agreed that his

561
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:53,700
credentials were solid and that

562
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:57,539
continues to be uh true so what happens

563
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,179
then is the uh if you're a debunker you

564
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,700
can't say oh well you know that thing

565
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:04,440
that you saw in that video that wasn't

566
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,860
really uh anomalous that was a a jet

567
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,799
aircraft and whatever well with Dave

568
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,080
grush it's different you can't say oh

569
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,480
people misperceived that the only thing

570
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,280
you say about grush is you have to

571
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,799
either I've heard debate debunkers do

572
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:22,799
this they either say he's lying or that

573
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:26,100
a lot of people around him lied in this

574
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:28,020
great internal

575
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:31,380
um conspiracy to lie to send him out

576
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:33,059
there and a lot of people go well of

577
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,860
course it's a psyop

578
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:37,440
I have a hard time exactly getting my

579
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:38,760
brain around

580
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:42,179
what would be the purpose of a psyop to

581
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:43,980
send this heavily credentialed guy out

582
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,000
there to talk about these things

583
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:49,260
if you're trying to cover it up what is

584
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:51,059
what is happening there why would that

585
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:54,120
be advantageous and I I don't see it but

586
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:55,740
that's that's my opinion otherwise you

587
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:57,299
would have to be such an organized

588
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:00,600
disinformation situation to be able to

589
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,780
do that with so many different variables

590
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,580
and the different people that he's

591
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,960
spoken with I mean it would have to be

592
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,000
very very involved and very

593
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,340
sophisticated if that's the case that's

594
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,020
what I keep going back to I have a

595
00:25:18,649 --> 00:25:15,960
question for you sure does Eric Davis

596
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,659
have any connection to this whole thing

597
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:20,159
coming out

598
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,720
um

599
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,720
to the best of my knowledge no okay I

600
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:26,400
don't I don't know that he did or didn't

601
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,179
I have not spoken about Dave Crush in a

602
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:32,220
context of Eric Davis to anybody ever

603
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,159
okay I know all right

604
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,320
um that that's good to know I I was

605
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:39,600
wondering about that and uh you know

606
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:45,120
when he if he went directly to Arrow uh

607
00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:48,779
would he be able to like just say for

608
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,200
instance does Kirkpatrick have a high

609
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:54,600
enough clearance that he could talk

610
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:56,460
about everything

611
00:26:02,990 --> 00:25:59,580
are you aware of what level of uh

612
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,000
clearance that Kirkpatrick has as far as

613
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,880
what he can be uh you know what type of

614
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,400
information he can be shared well I mean

615
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,500
I should State up front I'm not an

616
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,960
expert on government classification

617
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:15,600
um policy about who can say what to whom

618
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,220
however

619
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:19,980
um it doesn't strike me as uh realistic

620
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,740
that I

621
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:24,480
he

622
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,240
let me roll back again yeah ask that

623
00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:28,559
question again because I want to get my

624
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:30,620
brain around this thing

625
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,960
you were saying yeah did Kirkpatrick

626
00:26:39,549 --> 00:26:36,559
have a high enough clearance

627
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,559
like I mean he's heading the arrow

628
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,580
Kirkpatrick does not have I think it's

629
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:44,220
called title 50. I don't think he had it

630
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,340
and I think Sean I mean uh David Rush

631
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:48,720
does however

632
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,240
that doesn't mean that Kirkpatrick can't

633
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,760
hear from people tell their stories I

634
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,220
mean maybe he's not classified enough to

635
00:27:02,330 --> 00:26:58,860
see a document or a photo or a video of

636
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,340
some kind I don't know but yeah his

637
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,740
the fact that you do or don't have a

638
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:06,720
classification probably doesn't prevent

639
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:09,000
you from hearing somebody else tell

640
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:10,380
their story to you

641
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,380
because they're not he Dave grush

642
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,960
telling his story to Arrow is what is

643
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:17,520
supposed to be happening

644
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,400
uh now I do think it's pretty clear that

645
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,860
when the dod put out their response to

646
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,559
grush they basically said well I don't

647
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,120
think Arrow knows anything about this

648
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,279
but in fact that's different than saying

649
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,500
the Department of Defense doesn't know

650
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:32,880
anything about this

651
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,179
because Arrow may not know by Design I

652
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:37,980
mean I think this story

653
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:38,820
um

654
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:42,179
is going to grow and I think some of

655
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,400
these These are what I call the

656
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,740
secondary and tertiary questions that

657
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,200
are going to come in the aftermath of

658
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:51,960
what Russia said and I welcome them this

659
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,880
is what the journalistic community

660
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
should be doing right now they should be

661
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:57,840
saying okay that was interesting

662
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,600
loved hearing the Colt art interview I

663
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,940
loved reading what Kane and Blumenthal

664
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799
had to say

665
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:07,200
um and now let's look into the details

666
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,760
ourselves a little bit further because

667
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,520
it's a great story and so I I think that

668
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:13,140
some of that is happening as you

669
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,260
mentioned earlier there may be some

670
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:17,400
journalistic debunking going on too

671
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:20,220
because the truth is journalists are

672
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,159
even worse than the average member of

673
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,919
the public when it comes to having

674
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:27,600
conflicted

675
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:30,419
opinions about how to think about the

676
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,279
issue of UFO UAP reality because I I the

677
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:37,679
closest explanation I can say is that

678
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:40,260
having been in journalism for many years

679
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,159
uh before I went to work in Hollywood

680
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:46,140
um you know journalists don't want to

681
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:47,640
appear silly

682
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:51,840
they want to keep their cred right and

683
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:54,059
if they're not sure

684
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,220
what their own audience thinks about the

685
00:29:01,630 --> 00:28:59,220
UFO UAP issue then they are going to be

686
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:01,640
less likely to want to push it

687
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,279
journalists tend to follow what's on the

688
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,799
public mind and not lead it that's not a

689
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,500
hundred percent but on this issue in

690
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:12,120
particular I think history is pretty

691
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,740
clear on that front

692
00:29:17,769 --> 00:29:16,200
you know I I when I was talking to Ben

693
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:17,779
Hanson today

694
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:20,340
this whole situation kind of reminded me

695
00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:24,059
of something and that is back in 2017 it

696
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,380
was October Tom DeLonge had his special

697
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:29,520
luellizondo talk I watched the live

698
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,220
stream then the next day happened and

699
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:33,840
I'm thinking why isn't everybody talking

700
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,320
about this this is Major and then it

701
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,020
came out in the New York Times December

702
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,899
uh 16th I believe

703
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,419
and all of a sudden all hell broke loose

704
00:29:53,169 --> 00:29:49,200
right and this story is bigger

705
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:53,179
and it certainly is if it's if it's true

706
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,679
uh it dwarfs the December uh 2017 story

707
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,840
that the New York Times printed but part

708
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,679
of it

709
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,080
um that I've noticed in just being a

710
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,940
part of the coverage and observing the

711
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,340
coverage and being inside it

712
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:10,200
um is that

713
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,779
a lot of people and and

714
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,000
well let me just back up for those of

715
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,799
you who were lucky enough to find how to

716
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,960
watch news nation and you watched Ross's

717
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,360
uh one hour special there was one hour

718
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,120
after it and the Anchorman uh Brian

719
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:27,899
enton who I think is a good Anchorman

720
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,460
um but

721
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,700
he's not an expert on the UFO UAP issue

722
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,520
yet I think he's about to become one but

723
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:37,500
even on his first day of coverage when

724
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,299
he appeared on the Elizabeth Vargas show

725
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,760
he was saying you know I I really don't

726
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,320
know much about this topic I'm coming

727
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:46,200
into it fresh as if you know this is a

728
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,640
pretty big topic as all of your

729
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:49,980
listeners and viewers know you don't

730
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
just figure it out you know overnight it

731
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,919
takes some you know getting up to speed

732
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:58,440
and then I noticed in that show after

733
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,260
the special that Ross did he said three

734
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:03,600
times you know I

735
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,200
as if he was trying to explain why this

736
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,539
couldn't be possible or people would

737
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,799
think it's possible he would just say

738
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:12,960
it's just too much you know basically

739
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:15,659
it's like it's more than I expected and

740
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,080
I I think uh what some people have hit

741
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,480
upon is that we were just getting used

742
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:23,640
to well there are some things flying

743
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,340
around that are anomalous that our

744
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:29,039
government agrees to okay

745
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,500
that okay they're but they're not saying

746
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:34,080
they're alien yet but they're saying we

747
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,880
don't make them and they're saying the

748
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:37,559
Chinese and the Russians probably don't

749
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:40,679
make them so who is that who who's left

750
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:42,860
and I think people's heads

751
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,039
are getting acclimated to that space now

752
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,500
along comes grush and says forget about

753
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,740
that that that's that's Elementary

754
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,679
School let me take you to cosplay yeah

755
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,020
yeah so now he gives the college course

756
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:01,140
on this thing and says you know you have

757
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,580
to ask yourself folks if there are

758
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:04,080
things flying around in the sky who's

759
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:05,940
flying and who's piloting them who's

760
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,679
making them and um if they you know are

761
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:12,000
what what is what does the government

762
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,480
know about that and to his credit Dave

763
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:18,059
crush is a guy who actually did get to

764
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:19,740
know what the government was thinking

765
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:24,000
about it and what he he saw was so

766
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,940
compelling to him that he felt as a

767
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:29,460
patriotic American since the government

768
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:32,940
had had 90 years with this secret it was

769
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,480
uh probably acceptable to take a grave

770
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:39,240
personal risk to his freedom and his own

771
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,299
safety to try to bring this to people so

772
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,480
when people people just you know make it

773
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
so personal about him I I just I that is

774
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,640
the only part that bothers me I think

775
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:53,279
it's completely reasonable to say I want

776
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,799
to see more proof but the question is

777
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,779
who's supposed to provide that proof

778
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:01,200
David grush well listen David grush was

779
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:03,299
lucky to get the pentagon based on their

780
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:05,520
rules to allow him to speak about

781
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,460
certain things right but they do you

782
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,260
think that the Pentagon allowed him to

783
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,000
take that piece of aircraft or

784
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,100
spacecraft and put it in his car did the

785
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:17,519
Pentagon give him a photo of an alien no

786
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:20,820
so he he didn't get to walk out and have

787
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,700
that to show all of us now do those

788
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,159
things exist I believe they do and I

789
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,019
believe that grush has not only spoken

790
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:31,019
to Congress about it but potentially

791
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:33,480
delivered these items through different

792
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,559
uh methodologies to these committees or

793
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,899
at least some of them so things are

794
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:41,940
about to get interesting because again

795
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,480
the he has sort of called The Bluff he

796
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,000
said you created a whistleblower act I'm

797
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,159
a whistleblower here's what I know and

798
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,100
now it's up to Congress to investigate

799
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,570
whoops your mic just went off I think

800
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:01,679
hold on

801
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:07,930
well now it's on there okay

802
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:13,980
now my mic is off damn yeah okay okay

803
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,619
the if they were to have public hearings

804
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,000
right now and I believe they're going to

805
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,940
in July August I don't believe that you

806
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,919
can look at those hearings as likely to

807
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:23,760
be

808
00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:27,000
the Blockbuster that would naturally

809
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,619
come because

810
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,679
for Russia's statements to be checked

811
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,659
out people are going to be checking

812
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:35,280
those out behind the scenes before

813
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,540
they're having a public hearing about

814
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:39,419
them I think at least that's my thought

815
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,530
it seems to reason that other people

816
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,119
will come forward in the same manner

817
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,480
especially people involved or are they

818
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,639
in too deep you know that's that's the

819
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,359
the mystery yeah you know I mean are

820
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,220
they gonna you know are they gonna be

821
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,760
protected by what they you know even

822
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:05,280
if they handled the things themselves

823
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:07,080
well

824
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,680
um

825
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,480
that's why a lot of people are watching

826
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,760
how Grouch is treated but

827
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:12,960
look

828
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:17,400
you and I know and so does probably 95

829
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:18,839
percent of the people who are listening

830
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:21,660
or viewing this right now that there's a

831
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,079
there there when it comes to UI UFO UAP

832
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:28,320
reality yep so

833
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:33,720
that means that if crush is correct uh

834
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:36,780
it's been massive and sustained but even

835
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,720
if he's not correct it means something

836
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:42,480
is still going on uh

837
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,420
and and I I guess I would say if

838
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,099
something has been going on for as long

839
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,920
as it has and has been likely as well

840
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:52,560
funded as it has they have definitely

841
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,280
put some of their money into how to keep

842
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,020
this secret secret

843
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:00,480
because it can be done as Rush himself

844
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,300
said he said well you know if Ross asked

845
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,800
him about that and Rush seemed to say

846
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,260
well you know um I know a lot of things

847
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,780
that nobody else knows and nobody's

848
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
gonna know and nobody has found out in

849
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:13,440
all this time so yeah Secrets can be

850
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:14,460
kept

851
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:15,960
yes

852
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,119
um before I move on I just had forgot to

853
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,119
mention the great blog that uh Charles

854
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,119
Lear did this week on our website did

855
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:27,060
Einstein inspect a crash UFO in aliens

856
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:29,579
from Roswell there's just a lot going uh

857
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,880
it was like current news out there and

858
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,320
he tackled it

859
00:36:38,569 --> 00:36:36,900
um and also I I do have to say that uh

860
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,579
Palmer who helps out a lot with this

861
00:36:43,089 --> 00:36:40,560
show gave some pretty good questions

862
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:43,099
here but I want to know how

863
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,140
uh David is

864
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,540
um grush is doing right now how is he

865
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:50,760
doing right now what is it like being

866
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,589
I think he's fine but I'm not going to

867
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:59,220
go beyond that that's his own personal

868
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,140
life and I I want to respect the

869
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,540
boundaries that he has obviously he's

870
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:05,940
he's um it's no secret that he must be

871
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,320
talking to other people about who he's

872
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,119
going to tell this story to but I don't

873
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,180
sense that he's in a rush to do it uh

874
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,760
but not beyond that I'm be I'm just

875
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,740
going to let that play out I don't think

876
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,500
you're going to see him do a giant tour

877
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,660
of the podcast Universe in the same way

878
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:24,480
that luellizando did and I and I don't

879
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,040
know that either of them is right or

880
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,380
wrong for the choices they've made

881
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,260
um I just I think it's fluid and that's

882
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:33,900
all I can really comment about that I

883
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,839
think um I I hope he whatever it is he

884
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,599
uses great caution and takes advice from

885
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:42,240
someone like you or Ross you know or

886
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,540
Ralph or Leslie and you know what what

887
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,180
is next it's funny I I wouldn't presume

888
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,839
to give Dave advice uh myself but you

889
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,060
know I do think I I can't remember when

890
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,980
I first was thinking about this say that

891
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,020
well if anybody should get on the phone

892
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,000
with them it should be louelizando

893
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:01,859
because you know Lou probably knows

894
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:03,540
better than most what he's about to go

895
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:04,260
through

896
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:06,300
I think he commented on him the other

897
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,740
day I think I saw something on Twitter

898
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:09,780
probably I know they know each other

899
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:13,380
obviously yeah yeah so there's this uh

900
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:17,099
23 minute video that's ambiguous video

901
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,579
that Lou speaking of him mentioned oh

902
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,320
well over a year ago that we should be

903
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,780
seeing right um have you heard anything

904
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,480
about that at all that that's I've

905
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,800
always wondered what happened to that

906
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,780
because usually when Lou would say

907
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:32,940
something something would happen

908
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,339
and uh it's supposed to be a very good

909
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,020
and interesting

910
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,660
uh like profound

911
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,760
uh with multiple crafts and things like

912
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,000
that 23 minutes long I have heard

913
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:46,980
um I've heard enough to believe it's

914
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:47,940
true

915
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,180
uh I have not seen it I don't actually

916
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,400
know anyone who has seen it

917
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,720
um and I don't know what's going to

918
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:57,780
happen with it uh it would it sounds as

919
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,300
described though that it's the ultimate

920
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:02,400
Game Changer you show it to if you

921
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:04,200
showed it to a room of people you'd have

922
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:05,700
a room of people who said yeah that's

923
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,140
not ours

924
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,320
so I all I can say is I hope the time

925
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,900
will come sooner than later where we all

926
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:14,820
get to be in that room

927
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,060
and do you know I don't know how deeply

928
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,180
anyone spoke to Dave about

929
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,040
certain things like this this is a

930
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,200
question from Palmer he said did Dave

931
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,839
grush have access to complete Sensa data

932
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,480
for the Tic Tac video and other two

933
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,579
clips

934
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:33,359
um

935
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,980
you know I don't know if you even I want

936
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:36,780
to just be listen I just want to be

937
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,260
careful uh in in I don't want to

938
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,140
it's such an important situation I don't

939
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:45,660
want to extend the argument with hearsay

940
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,200
of my own but I my I believe that the

941
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,480
answer to your question if I'm rolling

942
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:54,359
through my own memory tapes is um and

943
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:55,980
again let me let me hear your question

944
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:58,500
specifically again so answer it uh did

945
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,339
uh he have any access to data oh um for

946
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:04,920
the Tic Tac I I believe that is an

947
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,460
affirmative yeah I mean I think that I

948
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:11,099
think that he had portfolio and

949
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,339
classifications necessary to ask pretty

950
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,320
much anybody about anything

951
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,119
yeah yeah

952
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:20,880
um I asked uh Ralph the other day uh

953
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:24,420
questions and um I guess I I guess I'm

954
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:26,540
going to ask you the same question

955
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,940
and uh I I don't know if I'll give you

956
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:32,000
the same answer but go ahead yeah yeah

957
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,339
uh okay for this whole thing I'm going

958
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,619
to start out with a negative

959
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,060
um what do you consider would be the

960
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:41,280
worst case scenario out of this whole

961
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,079
thing

962
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:45,480
well

963
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,900
I mean the obvious worst case scenario I

964
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:51,000
mean the worst worst worst case scenario

965
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,859
is that

966
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,160
he was completely conned and it's the

967
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,320
greatest example of uh

968
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,480
you know of a hit job that that

969
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:02,700
anybody's ever seen I don't believe that

970
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,660
is the is the case a bad scenario would

971
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,420
be he's exactly who he says he is and

972
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,400
might even be that every word he said is

973
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:13,920
completely true but that for whatever

974
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:17,579
reason uh the media Society the

975
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,980
political institutions the scientific

976
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,380
institutions we're not ready to accept

977
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,140
it and it kind of gets rolled back and

978
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,200
put under that rock again

979
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,240
that's the most likely

980
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:32,520
bad scenario but I don't think that's

981
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,619
going to happen either I just think it's

982
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,660
you know for people that we're hoping

983
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,280
and listen I have hope like everybody

984
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:40,619
else I was hoping well I'd like this to

985
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,640
be the

986
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,520
dividing line you know remember Richard

987
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,619
Dolan and I wrote a book A.D after

988
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:48,960
disclosure right we were saying there

989
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,540
was all of history up to this point and

990
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,940
then after that point it's A.D it's

991
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,180
after disclosure that kind of goes to

992
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,900
how you view disclosure uh to use a

993
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,599
Hollywood metaphor is it a slow dissolve

994
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,180
or a hard cut I was thinking Rush might

995
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:08,400
Usher in a hard cut but I don't think

996
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,880
that based on how I saw the media handle

997
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:14,040
this story and even people and even

998
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,859
people in the UFO community so I don't

999
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,359
think it's going to be a hard cut it's

1000
00:42:23,569 --> 00:42:21,359
clearly not but I think it is a valid

1001
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,579
and important and critical moment on the

1002
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:26,160
slow dissolved toward openness

1003
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:30,359
yeah yeah my girlfriend has said

1004
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:32,099
something funny the other day she like

1005
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,780
told her brother you know the whole

1006
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,520
thing and she was really excited telling

1007
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,260
him and everything he goes you know he

1008
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,760
basically has the attitude well yeah

1009
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:40,500
well what's for dinner

1010
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:43,859
you know there's a lot you know that

1011
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,660
used to frustrate me

1012
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,880
more than it does now I'm giving myself

1013
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,680
permission not to freak out over it

1014
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,359
because the truth is

1015
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,760
people do what they're the best that

1016
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,680
they're capable of doing look I have um

1017
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,480
I have three kids

1018
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,720
um and I don't think one of them has

1019
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,359
read ad after disclosure I have three

1020
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,880
kids I don't think one of them yet has

1021
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:07,980
seen the full one-hour interview that

1022
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:10,859
Ross did and you know their dad's been

1023
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,859
working on it for for quite a while and

1024
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,540
and it and they know it's super

1025
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,119
important not only to me but that I've

1026
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,880
been saying look this is this is a big

1027
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,740
freaking deal and yet they've they

1028
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,720
haven't watched it even though you know

1029
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,839
they they will if if uh pushed they'll

1030
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:29,880
say well no no I I don't think my dad's

1031
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,760
misled I think he's telling the truth as

1032
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,800
he sees it and I just don't think about

1033
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:36,720
it very much and they don't they're

1034
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:39,180
involved with their lives you know they

1035
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:42,599
have mortgages they have uh friends they

1036
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:45,720
have uh parties to go to they have life

1037
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:49,980
and at this point they don't see this

1038
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:53,640
issue as some thing that should impact

1039
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,880
their their lives now people like us and

1040
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,640
again the people who are watching us

1041
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,020
we've already sort of fallen off that

1042
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:03,599
one and we it is impacting our lives and

1043
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:05,160
that's why you and I are talking to each

1044
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,020
other right now because we're all

1045
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:09,960
concerned about it and and the the thing

1046
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:12,599
is if we're right and they're not then

1047
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:14,900
what's going to happen is that

1048
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,060
eventually everybody on the planet is

1049
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:21,180
going to say oh yeah uh we're not alone

1050
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,740
now

1051
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,200
it may very well be I if you were to ask

1052
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,480
me right now do you think that they

1053
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,160
whoever they are the people in charge

1054
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,740
have a plan I would have told you five

1055
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,900
years ago yes they have a plan and it's

1056
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,760
all part of you know maybe they're going

1057
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,400
to roll this out and and maybe this is

1058
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,980
the slow roll and I'm not so sure

1059
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,000
anybody

1060
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,400
got a good plan together I think there's

1061
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:47,640
divisions of opinion within

1062
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:49,740
um the community I'm not talking about

1063
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,200
the UFO UAP Community I'm talking about

1064
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,599
people within government and Industry

1065
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,540
and Aerospace and science who have been

1066
00:45:02,030 --> 00:44:59,520
involved in it I think there is a

1067
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,040
division of opinion about what to do

1068
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:04,980
about it and what may end up happening

1069
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:08,099
and this happens rarely but it often it

1070
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:10,200
can happen where

1071
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,920
um

1072
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:12,900
something good happens

1073
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:15,780
without a plan and not by Design and we

1074
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:18,900
may be in that situation right now where

1075
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:20,579
ultimately

1076
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:21,960
um

1077
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,859
maybe a slow roll has been good I don't

1078
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,260
know but we seem to be in it right now

1079
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,359
and maybe it will turn out later that

1080
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:33,359
that actually when the when the words

1081
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,060
actually come from official dumb

1082
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,880
uh we are not alone people will say to

1083
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,680
themselves yeah I know that I mean we

1084
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,480
knew that years ago right

1085
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,640
because if that's what how the

1086
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,040
information is ultimately received then

1087
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,200
that's probably a good outcome as

1088
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:51,240
opposed to people taking to the streets

1089
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,119
and you know burning buildings I guess

1090
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:56,640
I'd rather that they thought yeah yeah

1091
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,619
well we are of course I know we're not

1092
00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:00,420
alone I mean that that's a better

1093
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,500
outcome

1094
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:04,380
you know what I I can't expect people to

1095
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:07,260
to think and feel the way I do but I

1096
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,060
feel as though it would be the biggest

1097
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:12,119
story of all time of course

1098
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,859
you know this is why it's frustrating

1099
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,900
Martin when you tell when you start

1100
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,300
talking about this with somebody and and

1101
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:21,359
you are aware that it it that it it that

1102
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,800
it a it's quite likely true and B if if

1103
00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:28,800
a is true then b means it's the biggest

1104
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:31,500
story of all time I mean you know I'm a

1105
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:33,300
trained journalist I I got a degree in

1106
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:34,859
broadcast journalism from the University

1107
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,400
of Oregon I mean by every criteria that

1108
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,920
I was taught uh in my journalistic

1109
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,900
training this is the biggest story of

1110
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:45,240
all time because it hits all the top

1111
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,740
ones one of the things I remember in

1112
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,780
particular I had a one Professor who

1113
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:50,760
said it's the job of the media to answer

1114
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,000
one central question uh are we safe

1115
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:56,160
right and if you apply that to the 11

1116
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,020
o'clock news

1117
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,520
um you that's the first thing that the

1118
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,640
news answers so if there's a fire in

1119
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,560
Indianapolis and I live in Los Angeles

1120
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,839
it doesn't lead but if I'm in Los

1121
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,240
Angeles and there's a fire in Los

1122
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,240
Angeles that leads right because they're

1123
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:14,400
answering to the audience are you safe

1124
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:19,680
well in the case of UAP UFO reality uh

1125
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,780
it affects the entire world there is no

1126
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,420
local jurisdiction either we're safe or

1127
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:26,940
we're not safe and therefore it ought to

1128
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:29,180
be worthy of

1129
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,300
valid and and continuing investigation

1130
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:37,079
which is where I hope we are soon to be

1131
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,339
yes

1132
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,099
um speaking of safe and not safe one of

1133
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:43,800
the comments during the interview was

1134
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:47,339
that there were possibly some that

1135
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:48,660
weren't safe

1136
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,380
yes and uh that that wasn't uh I think

1137
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:54,060
Ross said something now you got me

1138
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,040
scared or something like that well you

1139
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,599
know listen you're talking to the guy

1140
00:48:04,010 --> 00:47:59,880
remember I created the NBC series dark

1141
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,020
skies and the log line of the series was

1142
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,359
um they're here

1143
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,940
they're hostile and powerful people

1144
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:11,040
don't want you to know

1145
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:15,000
so if I had to amend that at all I might

1146
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,619
say they're here

1147
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,720
some of them might be hostile and

1148
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:20,339
powerful people don't want you to know

1149
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:24,060
because uh if you listen to grush

1150
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,900
he he has confirmed multiple non-human

1151
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:30,240
intelligences it's not just a singular

1152
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,440
one and he has made it clear that some

1153
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,240
of them I don't think he's saying

1154
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,819
they're overtly hostile you know like

1155
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:40,500
it's not Independence Day they're going

1156
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,079
to come blow up the the White House and

1157
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,000
subjugate the world

1158
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,819
it doesn't appear but that some of their

1159
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:50,400
interactions with us lead to fatalities

1160
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,119
and they may not treat us

1161
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,060
any better than we

1162
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:59,640
treat a chicken you know we we don't we

1163
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:01,020
don't really know

1164
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:03,300
right somebody might know I'm just

1165
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,940
saying somebody might know I personally

1166
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:07,920
don't know I've had people tell me

1167
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,619
different things and as a citizen of

1168
00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:12,420
this country and a citizen of the world

1169
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:14,579
I think I should know just like I think

1170
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:15,900
you should know and everyone who's

1171
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:18,900
watching should know we should know if

1172
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,720
we're safe and if we're not safe we

1173
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,300
should know that yeah I mean that's just

1174
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,180
logic yeah you know one of the I'm sure

1175
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:29,579
you heard this a million times maybe not

1176
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,460
a million maybe half a million but

1177
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,280
you know uh in Midwest Mick West had

1178
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,900
something running on on Twitter the

1179
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:38,640
other night and I I commented to it

1180
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:40,619
basically that we don't know we don't

1181
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:44,880
know type of thing but he said Okay so

1182
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,400
we've been flying for you know just over

1183
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,260
100 years

1184
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:51,839
um and they supposedly to get here had

1185
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,440
to be you know flying for whatever and

1186
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:57,660
and yet they crash what do you mean they

1187
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,780
crash you know so that that's what you

1188
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,460
hear a lot when you're talking about how

1189
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:05,339
could they be practical review I'll I'm

1190
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:09,000
looking forward to debating Mick West at

1191
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:11,160
some point because first of all I'm sort

1192
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,260
of tired of that there's so many

1193
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,540
different ways to look at that but one

1194
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:18,060
of them in particular is the craft that

1195
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,800
are flying and crashing may not be craft

1196
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:24,780
that have traveled across the universe

1197
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:28,200
to get here okay in this anymore than if

1198
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,020
we crash in F-18 in the Iraqi desert

1199
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,300
that it flew all the way from the United

1200
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:36,480
States it may very well be that these

1201
00:50:42,609 --> 00:50:39,540
giant craft that people keep seeing are

1202
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:42,619
the equivalent of ocean liners or or uh

1203
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:45,240
battleships that have traveled across

1204
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:48,119
distances to get here but that some of

1205
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,180
these smaller craft are in fact

1206
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,760
doing whatever you know again I'm not

1207
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,440
going to ascribe what they're doing here

1208
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:57,059
exactly but whatever they're doing

1209
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:58,740
they're not the ones that cross the

1210
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,079
universe or if you listen to the Dave

1211
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,900
grush interview he went on at length

1212
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,119
about why he wouldn't call them aliens

1213
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,059
and uh he wasn't going to ascribe where

1214
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,040
they come from and he talked about the

1215
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:13,020
physics of um

1216
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:17,460
you know there being other other ways to

1217
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:20,819
for example to coexist in our space

1218
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,579
but out of our time or in our space

1219
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,040
but in another dimension or whatever so

1220
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,400
yeah maybe a craft is traveling from

1221
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:31,740
there to here and it's a different kind

1222
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:33,900
of problem or maybe they're crashing

1223
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:34,680
them

1224
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,140
as gifts I don't know why they're

1225
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:39,420
crashing but we have we have a pretty

1226
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:40,619
successful

1227
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,220
um

1228
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,500
Airline situation in the world but

1229
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,599
things crash things that are engineered

1230
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:48,839
sometimes don't work or potentially some

1231
00:51:54,049 --> 00:51:51,900
of the things that are that that we do

1232
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:54,059
um like there was there were rumors

1233
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,859
initially that our radar actually

1234
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,839
crashed a few of these things which

1235
00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,480
seems unlikely I was just gonna say that

1236
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,579
yeah that that's one of the things I've

1237
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:04,559
heard for years you know the speculation

1238
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,420
that it could be radar which could be

1239
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,480
very primitive to them and unexpected

1240
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,000
you know yeah that type of situation but

1241
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:14,280
you know also

1242
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:18,180
um a person that contacted me uh through

1243
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:21,480
someone else was saying that uh there's

1244
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,780
possible shoot Downs yes oh well that's

1245
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:27,000
a whole that's a

1246
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,099
that's a whole separate thing I don't

1247
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:31,859
think um even though I will say this uh

1248
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,920
in the second episode of Dark Skies that

1249
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:36,960
was our explanation for Roswell that we

1250
00:52:42,609 --> 00:52:38,579
shot it down now I don't personally

1251
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,619
believe that it was uh more of a of a

1252
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:44,880
dramatic and uh

1253
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:49,200
attempt to create a television series uh

1254
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:52,380
that that featured Roswell in it but I

1255
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:55,559
do think Roswell was a true event and I

1256
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,200
do think that some of them seem to have

1257
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,720
been shot down Dave Crush again seemed

1258
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:02,160
to imply

1259
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,619
um will not imply he seemed to say that

1260
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,540
that had happened

1261
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,000
uh-huh listen I want to say goodbye to

1262
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:10,980
everyone over at kgra we're gonna if

1263
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,359
it's our review we'll talk a little bit

1264
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:13,440
longer because I have a lot of questions

1265
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:17,819
absolutely great and uh so

1266
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,339
um I I guess I'm gonna post pop this one

1267
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,440
up right here I had something in mind to

1268
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,720
ask you what the heck was it sorry I get

1269
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,520
I so many distractions here behind you

1270
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,740
throw one thing in for those of you I

1271
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,720
you know I I don't do a good enough job

1272
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,940
of this I'm going to do it if you uh

1273
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,980
have heard about the podcast I do with

1274
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,720
uh Ross coltard

1275
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:39,240
um that's at need to know dot today and

1276
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:41,099
also we have a YouTube channel where

1277
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:42,599
we've you know I've been trying to

1278
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:43,980
curate

1279
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:47,940
incredible content that's sort of this

1280
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,700
it's like a what you know a firehouse of

1281
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,500
content that's coming out so I've been

1282
00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:55,200
uh curating some of that content on our

1283
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:57,180
YouTube page which is also called need

1284
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:59,099
to know yeah and that's all in the show

1285
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:01,020
notes everyone so I know what I was

1286
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,940
gonna say uh Palmer had written this but

1287
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,440
I didn't post it up so I don't have it

1288
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:06,119
in front of me but something along the

1289
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,099
lines where where you were when you were

1290
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,220
filming dark style Dark Skies sure you

1291
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:13,200
were visited by someone from the

1292
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:15,180
possibly from the government

1293
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:17,099
yeah and he wanted you to elaborate on

1294
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,839
that if since we you just mentioned Dark

1295
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,700
Skies yeah we don't have to spend much

1296
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,800
time on it but something happened it's

1297
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,380
definitely worth a lot of time

1298
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:27,420
um I am writing a book that will include

1299
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:28,440
it

1300
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:33,480
on the trail of the saucers currently uh

1301
00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:35,700
what I I I'm you know I'm I'm not going

1302
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:37,319
to scoop myself and I also don't have

1303
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:39,960
two hours to explain it all on your show

1304
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,540
right now but the Highlight is

1305
00:54:48,109 --> 00:54:45,059
uh two things happened during Dark Skies

1306
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:48,119
on the night of our Premier party

1307
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:48,839
um

1308
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:50,940
with 200 people who were Studio

1309
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,440
Executives Network Executives

1310
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,579
actors people that worked on our

1311
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:58,800
production the writers directors

1312
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,040
um all the cast and crew basically we

1313
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,460
had a party at my house okay so now my

1314
00:55:10,010 --> 00:55:07,500
house is becoming I don't know what to

1315
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:10,020
say about this but at my house I'm

1316
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:12,359
hosting 200 people for a premier party

1317
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:15,660
uh which was I believe September 26 of

1318
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,619
96 and um no one had seen Dark Skies at

1319
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:22,140
this point of course because it hadn't

1320
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,880
aired yet that doesn't mean no one had

1321
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:25,920
seen it I mean obviously we had cut it

1322
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:27,480
and so forth

1323
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:30,180
but we all have little badges little

1324
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,059
Majestic badges because Dark Skies took

1325
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:35,520
place inside Majestic 12 uh that was

1326
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:37,260
sort of the organization and so

1327
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,819
everybody who attended the party got a

1328
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
cute little Majestic well badge

1329
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,720
but there was one guy that showed up at

1330
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,160
the party that didn't have a badge

1331
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,280
because he wasn't on the list and one of

1332
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:48,900
my producers said you got to go talk to

1333
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,440
this guy and there was a guy there who

1334
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:55,619
um said he was there

1335
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:59,640
um he I believes at that party stated he

1336
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,260
was from The Office of Naval

1337
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,020
intelligence and that they thought we

1338
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,200
did a really good job with the show and

1339
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,660
uh they thought we might want some help

1340
00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:12,480
in order to get more things right

1341
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,859
to which

1342
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:16,260
I thought well yeah this is man

1343
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,640
what do you what are you doing you're

1344
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:19,380
breaking into my house get get out of

1345
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:21,720
here but I said to him kind of being a

1346
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:25,140
wise ass uh because he said we'd seen it

1347
00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:27,900
and we like it and I said oh yeah well

1348
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,660
okay you're so smart what happens after

1349
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,119
loan guard sees the crop circle

1350
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,339
and the guy said oh well they take him

1351
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,140
back to Majestic 12 and they do the art

1352
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,780
and the blah blah and yeah I mean he

1353
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:42,000
absolutely had seen the show so there

1354
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,700
was that now wow other things happened

1355
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:46,559
and that'll all be in the book but what

1356
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:49,140
happened after that is that

1357
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:51,000
um we went on about our lives because

1358
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:52,859
remember just because the show was

1359
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:54,119
airing I was still in the middle of

1360
00:56:58,849 --> 00:56:56,280
production and production on a

1361
00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:58,859
television series of the scope and scale

1362
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:01,380
of Dark Skies was just

1363
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:04,140
insane and of course I I'm married and I

1364
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:05,819
had three kids and you know that were

1365
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:07,980
really young and and you know it's just

1366
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:10,800
a lot and the network really didn't care

1367
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,599
whether I was talking to O and I or not

1368
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:14,280
they cared whether I got the show in on

1369
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:17,339
time and on budget so a week or so pass

1370
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:21,180
and uh this guy calls my partner and uh

1371
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:23,579
says your your partner meaning me

1372
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:26,460
doesn't appear very convinced you know I

1373
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:28,680
wonder if he wants to meet my boss

1374
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,839
so this guy showed up at the Dark Skies

1375
00:57:35,569 --> 00:57:33,599
offices which I allowed to happen simply

1376
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,579
because we had security there I thought

1377
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,280
you know we have show security so okay

1378
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,359
let him bring a guy and Brent my

1379
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:44,400
co-creator on dark skies and I spent two

1380
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,680
hours with uh this guy that came to the

1381
00:57:49,790 --> 00:57:48,839
party and the guy that he said was his

1382
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:49,800
boss

1383
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:52,440
two guys that did not look like you know

1384
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,140
goofballs they looked like Navy Seals in

1385
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,180
terms of you know how they presented

1386
00:58:02,690 --> 00:57:59,160
themselves and everything and they

1387
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:02,700
proceeded to brief us if you will uh

1388
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,200
on things as they supposedly were

1389
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,640
and and

1390
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:10,680
um and they said some things frankly

1391
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:13,319
that I heard again from Dave Crush

1392
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,380
so I heard those back in in 96 I'm going

1393
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:18,240
to be delineating that a little clearer

1394
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:20,760
when I get to writing about it

1395
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:23,220
but at the same time I threw them out of

1396
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,559
the office eventually because I said I

1397
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:27,480
said I I've got a show to produce you've

1398
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,300
got to leave yeah and um wow and and

1399
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:32,339
then and then now I'll wrap the story up

1400
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:33,660
and uh

1401
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,099
because you know obviously I'm

1402
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:37,380
shorthanding everything but after the

1403
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:43,250
they called my partner the the guy that

1404
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,059
crashed my party the first time called

1405
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:47,040
my partner Brent

1406
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:49,500
and he said you know your partner really

1407
00:58:55,069 --> 00:58:50,940
is

1408
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:55,079
a skeptic you know uh he seems to need a

1409
00:58:59,630 --> 00:58:57,180
little more convincing and Brent allowed

1410
00:59:03,890 --> 00:58:59,640
is how that was probably true

1411
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:03,900
and they proposed meeting

1412
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:06,540
the I believe it was an admiral but it

1413
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,480
could have been whoever was in charge of

1414
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,880
a ship that was in the Long Beach Harbor

1415
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,000
okay that we were to go to Long Beach

1416
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:17,099
and on this part I say this and people

1417
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:19,740
always go oh come on that's crazy but

1418
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:21,299
all I can tell you is this is what

1419
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:22,380
happened

1420
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:23,280
um

1421
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:25,859
the guy said that we were to meet this

1422
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,059
guy at a cemetery in Long Beach at

1423
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:31,920
midnight

1424
00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:35,819
and I said at that time I have three

1425
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:38,579
children I am meeting nobody at a

1426
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:41,400
cemetery in Long Beach at midnight and

1427
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,140
then and that's the last I ever heard of

1428
00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:46,680
those guys wow boy that is something now

1429
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:48,119
I gotta say one thing that's funny about

1430
00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:50,460
that is Brenda and I for years have

1431
00:59:55,849 --> 00:59:52,940
always sort of laughed about it and said

1432
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,859
interesting because a great TV show

1433
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,079
would be the two guys that go to the

1434
01:00:01,789 --> 01:00:00,299
cemetery in Long Beach at midnight yeah

1435
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,799
because I don't know what would have

1436
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:03,480
happened either I'd have ended up dead

1437
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:05,099
or they'd have given me a piece of the

1438
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:07,380
Roswell crash I don't know but it was a

1439
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:09,480
risk I wasn't prepared to take yeah you

1440
01:00:13,849 --> 01:00:10,680
could have made that one of the episodes

1441
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,859
yeah yeah here's I'm gonna post a couple

1442
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:15,359
of questions

1443
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:16,859
um and I don't even know if you were

1444
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,780
told any of this or if any of it could

1445
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,880
be even shared how serious were the

1446
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:23,040
threats made toward rush for going

1447
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:25,559
public or or is that is that what the

1448
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:27,299
threats weren't really because he was

1449
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:35,030
the situation quite quite accurately he

1450
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:36,420
was

1451
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:37,440
um

1452
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:40,020
he pushed for openness as I understand

1453
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,099
it and uh actions of Retribution took

1454
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:46,500
place against him including having his

1455
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:49,260
house broken into as I understand it and

1456
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:52,380
he then filed that complaint because he

1457
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,740
had been uh you know his uh his

1458
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:58,559
complaint of Retribution he filed that

1459
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,059
with the intelligence Community

1460
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:02,880
Inspector General who listened to him

1461
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:05,220
interviewed other Witnesses

1462
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,460
Etc and at the end of that concluded as

1463
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:11,040
he forwarded grush's case to the House

1464
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:13,619
and Senate intelligence committees the

1465
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:16,619
igic as that person is called forwarded

1466
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,359
and said that that what gresh was saying

1467
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:20,400
was urgent and credible

1468
01:01:24,829 --> 01:01:22,200
so

1469
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:24,839
um I I don't believe

1470
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,319
anybody I mean I think people were

1471
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,180
threatening I think things happened

1472
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:32,640
because he was talking but to say that

1473
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,380
he was

1474
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,280
um

1475
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:36,960
you know sort of threaten or attack

1476
01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:39,900
foregoing or if he went public I don't

1477
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:41,819
think he was talking about going public

1478
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:44,640
with anybody I don't think that was the

1479
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:48,660
plan until after he started meeting and

1480
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:51,240
then he filed the paperwork that would

1481
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:53,339
allow him to talk and people say well

1482
01:01:58,190 --> 01:01:55,079
why would the government allow him to

1483
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:58,200
talk about anything it's crazy well the

1484
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:00,059
one the only as I understand it again

1485
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,460
and I am not the world's expert on this

1486
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,520
kind of policy but as I understand it

1487
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,160
um if the government would have shut him

1488
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:09,839
down and said you can't talk to anybody

1489
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,420
about anything then he has a right to

1490
01:02:17,089 --> 01:02:14,400
appeal that and that's a public appeal

1491
01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:17,099
so the the net effect would have been

1492
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,380
the same thing it would have looked like

1493
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:21,299
the government was trying to stop him

1494
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,980
from doing it it's the same thing that

1495
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:24,720
Lou Elizondo has had to go through

1496
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,020
frankly for his book okay you can say

1497
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,240
what he wants to say in his book but he

1498
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,480
has to submit it

1499
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:34,559
for um

1500
01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:36,780
to to be looked at by the defense

1501
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:38,339
department sure to see if there's

1502
01:02:42,530 --> 01:02:40,740
anything classified in there and you

1503
01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:42,540
know the question I had asked Ralph

1504
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:46,380
Blumenthal the other night was I mean it

1505
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:49,380
seems to me that if we do have these

1506
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:53,160
crashed vehicles off-world vehicles

1507
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,280
seems like that would be the highest

1508
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,480
classification you could possibly have

1509
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,540
yeah and you know what what do you and

1510
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,400
how come they're letting him talk about

1511
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:03,599
that

1512
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,119
you know because again

1513
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:08,220
um look at the reaction he's talking

1514
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:11,099
about it and a whole bunch of people are

1515
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,380
going oh it's a psyop and a whole bunch

1516
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:15,240
of people are saying I won't believe

1517
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:17,160
anything until I see proof

1518
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,839
you know so

1519
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:20,640
um and frankly had he come out with

1520
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:23,940
proof of a of a of a craft uh what would

1521
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,799
people have said then some of them would

1522
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:27,359
have said oh well you know you can

1523
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,880
Photoshop anything so yeah I I'm just

1524
01:03:33,069 --> 01:03:30,720
not

1525
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,079
yeah you know

1526
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:35,280
he went through the channels to do it

1527
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:37,740
right so he did according to the new

1528
01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:40,619
legislation he followed those rules he

1529
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,099
got an attorney who was uh well versed

1530
01:03:49,849 --> 01:03:47,280
on those rules and and he he went

1531
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:49,859
through the process yeah and the

1532
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,260
attorney was just for the process people

1533
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,359
are saying oh you're misled it had

1534
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:56,880
nothing to do with UFOs no one ever said

1535
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:58,440
it had anything to do with having an

1536
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:00,839
attorney for the UFOs it had to do with

1537
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:03,240
the process and there's also some uh

1538
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:06,660
confusion the the law firm that

1539
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:09,839
represented him I think has broken their

1540
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:12,359
Association but his lawyer hasn't he

1541
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:15,180
still got the same lawyer right and you

1542
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:16,859
know I look at that I've had like seven

1543
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,619
lawyers in my career right I think I

1544
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,599
fired a couple and I think they've fired

1545
01:04:25,849 --> 01:04:24,000
me to and you know lawyers come and go

1546
01:04:28,609 --> 01:04:25,859
that's just at least in my business

1547
01:04:29,289 --> 01:04:28,619
that's what happens so

1548
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,299
um

1549
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:32,160
his lawyer is still with them and law

1550
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:33,599
firms have a different way to look at

1551
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:35,700
things you know I can see a law firm

1552
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:38,040
saying we don't want all our other

1553
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:41,700
clients in this Law Firm to be sucked

1554
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:44,760
into the UFO issue and that would be

1555
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:46,740
perfectly legitimate on the law firm's

1556
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:49,619
part I don't actually uh you know I

1557
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:51,900
can't be quoted as a fact-bearer on this

1558
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:53,460
thing I haven't talked to any of these

1559
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,319
lawyers and I don't know for sure but

1560
01:05:01,130 --> 01:04:58,559
I'm if I don't think it it is as

1561
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:01,140
nefarious or undermining as it has been

1562
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,619
portrayed by some people yeah yeah

1563
01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:05,760
um so

1564
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:09,000
right away on Monday morning when the

1565
01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:13,079
story broke last week uh not even an

1566
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:15,540
hour later uh my girlfriend was looking

1567
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:18,420
through the internet and comments and

1568
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,460
things and right away someone says oh

1569
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,140
this guy's just looking for a book deal

1570
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,480
I mean I'm not a book deal a movie deal

1571
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,640
so I wanna I'll I'm gonna post this

1572
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:29,280
question because I want to address the

1573
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:30,839
thoughts that people are having out

1574
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:32,760
there so Bryce have you secured rights

1575
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:34,920
to a screenplay for the David grush

1576
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:37,559
story and that's not even on your not

1577
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,900
even on your mind I bet I mean this had

1578
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:42,480
nothing to do with well no I mean listen

1579
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:45,900
I'm a I'm a multi-hyphenate here I'm a

1580
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:48,839
writer I'm a director I'm a producer I'm

1581
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:51,059
a journalist right okay it's a fair

1582
01:05:56,510 --> 01:05:53,880
question yeah I mean I I I would love to

1583
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:56,520
write uh the screenplay that is the Dave

1584
01:06:01,370 --> 01:05:58,740
Crush Story the problem I have right now

1585
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:01,380
is I'm a lifetime member of the writer's

1586
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:04,559
Guild of America and I'm on strike

1587
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:08,040
so uh on a technical level

1588
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,780
um I'm not allowed to go make that deal

1589
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,760
with Dave Crush I'd be happy to make it

1590
01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:13,680
I would make it tomorrow

1591
01:06:17,870 --> 01:06:16,260
um if you were listening now and sent me

1592
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,880
a text saying let's you know make a deal

1593
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,799
when the strike is over I'd be happy but

1594
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,599
that I have not spoken to him about it

1595
01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:23,760
and I don't know if anyone else has I

1596
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:25,559
mean I don't know I don't think that I

1597
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,500
mean uh Ralph had the idea that there

1598
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,720
was no such thoughts uh he didn't get

1599
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:32,400
any of those type of thoughts well no no

1600
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:33,960
I never got any of those kind of

1601
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,599
thoughts I'm just from him but you know

1602
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:38,160
it's my job to have those kind of

1603
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:40,980
thoughts right I have and I have gone uh

1604
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,020
Schmidt's book with Mr Roswell under

1605
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:45,119
option I have Stanton Friedman's book

1606
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:48,539
top secret magic under option I have uh

1607
01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:50,819
Stan Friedman and Kathy Martin's book

1608
01:06:57,890 --> 01:06:53,700
captured under options more than happy

1609
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:57,900
to be the uh the person to spend time

1610
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:00,539
with Dave and and figure out what the

1611
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:03,180
dramatic way to tell his story is and I

1612
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,260
don't see anything wrong with that and

1613
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:05,940
first first of all I will tell you that

1614
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,720
even if a movie gets made about him he

1615
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:11,760
may not participate in it in a direct

1616
01:07:17,569 --> 01:07:15,000
way and even if he did he may not you

1617
01:07:20,029 --> 01:07:17,579
know people are not people who license

1618
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:20,039
their rights for films don't get rich I

1619
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,480
mean and people who write books about

1620
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,480
UFOs don't get rich I'm right about UFOs

1621
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:26,880
because I've lived an interesting life

1622
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:28,680
and I've had things like what happened

1623
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,020
at Dark Skies happened to me I've had

1624
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:33,420
things like meeting Dave grush and and

1625
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,920
getting him interviewed at my house

1626
01:07:38,829 --> 01:07:36,960
happened to me I feel like that's a book

1627
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:38,839
that's worthy of

1628
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:42,420
excuse me that's that's a story worth

1629
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:45,420
telling I don't expect make much money

1630
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:49,140
from it if any but uh but I liked I like

1631
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:51,059
to write so I'll I'll write it and by

1632
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:52,859
the way one of the reasons I'm working

1633
01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:54,599
on it right now is I'm on strike and I'm

1634
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,099
allowed to write a book I'm not allowed

1635
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:58,140
to write a screenplay how about that

1636
01:08:02,809 --> 01:08:00,599
okay so I'm going to ask some I'm going

1637
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:02,819
to pop up some questions and chat Brett

1638
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:04,619
always has good questions has there been

1639
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,020
any reaction from foreign countries that

1640
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,539
you know about well I think you guys

1641
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,880
um all know as well as I do that yes

1642
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:14,160
people all over the world are commenting

1643
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,199
about this just go on the internet look

1644
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:18,000
around you'll see that people are are

1645
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:20,100
talking about it uh the only thing I

1646
01:08:25,309 --> 01:08:21,480
know and I'm not going to be specific

1647
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:25,319
about it but there are uh conversations

1648
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,699
going on from you know foreign entities

1649
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:32,400
that would like to broadcast or stream

1650
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:35,460
or otherwise show the interview that

1651
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:38,279
Ross did with him in their own countries

1652
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,140
um I don't think that's letting any cat

1653
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:42,239
out of the bag I mean of course this is

1654
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:43,380
one of the more

1655
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,199
incredible stories ever told and unlike

1656
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,359
the Bob Lazar story where Bob told his

1657
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:50,100
story and people couldn't nail down who

1658
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,259
he was exactly and you know there were

1659
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:55,140
some flags on that play there are none

1660
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:58,500
from that point of view on Dave grush so

1661
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:59,339
um

1662
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:02,160
yeah so because of that people all over

1663
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:04,259
the world would like to know more people

1664
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:07,560
you know the United States is not the

1665
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,299
only place that cares about this issue

1666
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:11,520
uh in fact that people all over the

1667
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:14,160
world care about it and uh they they

1668
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,239
want answers too and and uh I look

1669
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:21,359
forward to a time when the world joins

1670
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:23,819
in Partnership uh to get to the bottom

1671
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:26,040
of this

1672
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:29,100
yeah yeah I I sure hope I'm looking for

1673
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,219
a specific question that um a friend of

1674
01:09:37,550 --> 01:09:35,279
mine PO says he posted but I didn't see

1675
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:37,560
it but he sent me the text and it says

1676
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:40,920
uh let's see who brought rush to

1677
01:09:46,990 --> 01:09:43,259
do you know who brought them crushed to

1678
01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:47,000
keen and Blumenthal did someone actually

1679
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:49,799
uh was some was there an intermediary

1680
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,440
involved

1681
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:55,440
that would ask me to comment on um how

1682
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:57,239
Leslie and Ralph did their business and

1683
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:58,860
I I don't actually know the answer to

1684
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:01,860
that okay I do know that Ralph and

1685
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:04,440
Leslie and Ross were

1686
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:06,900
it from my

1687
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:10,080
my distant observation all sort of

1688
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,540
chasing the same story at roughly at the

1689
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,400
same time but if you'd ask me I would

1690
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,679
have said Ross was there first I know

1691
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:19,920
for example that Ross like I said uh

1692
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:22,199
brought rush to Los Angeles for these

1693
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,300
interviews on May 8th and 9th and you

1694
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,159
can do the math the debrief article

1695
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:28,380
aired I mean you know was printed much

1696
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,120
later but that doesn't mean when they

1697
01:10:36,169 --> 01:10:33,420
knew him uh you know that's a Ralph and

1698
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,179
Leslie and Ross and Dave and other

1699
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:37,679
people would have to get their calendars

1700
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,540
out to figure that answer out and and

1701
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,580
that's nothing I know about

1702
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:43,500
yeah we're

1703
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:46,500
was everyone afraid of getting scooped

1704
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:50,280
on this you know I mean uh I'm sure that

1705
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,460
uh Dave would be right up front with you

1706
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,920
know like someone Wolf Blitzer called me

1707
01:11:00,110 --> 01:10:57,600
or something like that yeah you know

1708
01:11:02,570 --> 01:11:00,120
what I I don't think so as I again I'm

1709
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:02,580
I'm uh

1710
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:05,219
the people who were there in meetings

1711
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,260
are the ones that are the primary

1712
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:09,840
sources I'm I'm a secondary here but um

1713
01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:11,100
my

1714
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:18,659
himself felt that the way he wanted his

1715
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:21,480
story to get out was a big print drop

1716
01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:26,100
first followed by Ross's interview so he

1717
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:29,699
gave Ross an exclusive interview and and

1718
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:33,780
I believe gave Ralph and and Leslie

1719
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:36,120
some version of of an exclusive

1720
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,560
interview for print

1721
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:41,040
and Dave all along thought it was going

1722
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:42,480
to be the New York Times or the

1723
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:44,760
Washington Post which ultimately turned

1724
01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:46,980
out not to be the place then it went to

1725
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:49,739
the hill and Politico and for their own

1726
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,440
reasons they also did not choose to go

1727
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:54,239
forward with it and that's how I ended

1728
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:56,820
up at the debrief yeah

1729
01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:00,120
yeah and um I'm hoping that more

1730
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:03,540
mainstream media runs with this I mean

1731
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,560
that's what

1732
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:06,960
we need more of the ball rolling on this

1733
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:09,179
thing well I can't give you the um the

1734
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:10,980
specifics they're not sitting in front

1735
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,040
of me and it's not mine to tell but I'm

1736
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,340
I I'm very clear that the ratings for

1737
01:12:23,649 --> 01:12:19,260
news Nation exceeded what they normally

1738
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:25,669
I'm hopeful

1739
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:27,960
um I I thought news Nation did a pretty

1740
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,360
fair job with this thing I was on a

1741
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,400
couple of times talked to Chris Cuomo

1742
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:35,760
once talked to Elizabeth not Elizabeth

1743
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,400
um Laura Ingram Asha and also Dr Laura

1744
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:40,500
Ingram talking about news Nation I

1745
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,060
thought

1746
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:44,880
um understood that they had an

1747
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:47,940
incredible story and treated it

1748
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:52,159
um as such and uh and added a lot of

1749
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:56,219
external uh information uh and and did

1750
01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,400
it well as and at least didn't run from

1751
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:02,040
it they ran into it and this is what

1752
01:13:06,649 --> 01:13:04,380
it's going to take and so I'm I'm

1753
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:06,659
grateful that they did that I hope they

1754
01:13:11,630 --> 01:13:08,100
continue and I believe they will

1755
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:11,640
continue to follow this story and uh I

1756
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,260
guess the message to the rest of the

1757
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:15,120
media is like come on in the water's

1758
01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:17,400
fine let's do this together

1759
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:20,219
right right another uh question was

1760
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:22,860
asked did Russia ever talk about the

1761
01:13:28,189 --> 01:13:26,520
nature of their propulsion system

1762
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:28,199
do you happen to know that

1763
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:30,659
I don't yeah

1764
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:34,380
and he probably did um yeah I'm blanking

1765
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:37,560
on on it right now I don't I don't have

1766
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,380
any specific memory no all right for is

1767
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:42,060
there anything that you can think of

1768
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:45,239
Bryce that you'd like to clear the air

1769
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:46,739
on on some of the things that are being

1770
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:49,440
said out there that are you know are

1771
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:51,000
misleading

1772
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,560
that you can think of right off the top

1773
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,420
of your head well one thing I'm just

1774
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,820
seeing someone who said wait Chris Cuomo

1775
01:14:00,169 --> 01:13:58,560
was wasn't having any of this the first

1776
01:14:02,209 --> 01:14:00,179
night the story was given to him that

1777
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:02,219
person is correct um they are not

1778
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:04,440
incorrect in saying that Chris Cuomo

1779
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:07,020
even we when he was at CNN I recall

1780
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:08,580
seeing him doing a handoff with Don

1781
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:11,100
Lemon between shows and there was a UAP

1782
01:14:17,209 --> 01:14:14,280
story and they both seemed to not take

1783
01:14:19,070 --> 01:14:17,219
it seriously and it made me angry I

1784
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:19,080
remember recording it and I was going to

1785
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:21,719
do a big I think I mentioned it even on

1786
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,780
a need to know podcast but

1787
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:27,600
I will say this when I did an interview

1788
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:29,159
with Chris Cuomo it was about five

1789
01:14:34,189 --> 01:14:30,900
minutes long it's up on our Need to Know

1790
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:34,199
YouTube site so you can see for yourself

1791
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:37,140
I thought he had pivoted

1792
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,380
considerably he wasn't saying oh I'm a

1793
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,239
Believer because who's asking him to

1794
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:44,580
believe nobody yeah I think what but

1795
01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:47,940
what he did say was he seemed

1796
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:49,380
kinda

1797
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:52,260
ticked off that if the government has

1798
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,120
been withholding information whether

1799
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:56,820
it's about aliens or some kind of black

1800
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:58,980
program or whatever that's gone on this

1801
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,080
long he seemed

1802
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:03,360
really in favor of getting to the bottom

1803
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,699
of it which I found also interesting

1804
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,739
because when I talked with Laura Ingram

1805
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,320
on Fox you know these two people are not

1806
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,480
on the same side of the political

1807
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:14,400
spectrum of the best of my knowledge but

1808
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,860
she had the same point of view or hers

1809
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:18,719
was well this has gone on long enough

1810
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:21,600
let's get to the bottom of it yeah and I

1811
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,640
think if Cricket just all agree with

1812
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:26,400
that instead of picking everybody apart

1813
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:28,440
right now what we should say is this

1814
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:30,659
deserves more information more

1815
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,760
investigation and there's no time like

1816
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:35,040
the present let's get started

1817
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,760
did Rush want it to be in big print like

1818
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:40,080
the New York Times or something like

1819
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,900
that just to get it make the big impact

1820
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,880
is that what he was looking for I don't

1821
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:46,860
know if he was looking for impact he was

1822
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:48,300
looking for

1823
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:49,199
um

1824
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:52,679
the ability to say I've been vetted by

1825
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:54,300
you know the wash when it was the

1826
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:56,460
Washington Post most of the time that

1827
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:58,260
yeah it looked like it was going to go

1828
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,300
with and I think he was thinking to

1829
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,280
himself look Washington Post broke

1830
01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:06,000
Watergate if they uh take this story and

1831
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:08,820
they check my sources and they check my

1832
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:12,420
statements about my uh bio and resume uh

1833
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:15,719
that's good that's good for the story so

1834
01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:18,780
um yeah I I don't think he was

1835
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:20,760
you know I I didn't see a guy that had

1836
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:22,739
stars in his eyes about oh boy this will

1837
01:16:27,470 --> 01:16:25,080
be great I think he was just saying look

1838
01:16:30,770 --> 01:16:27,480
this is a major story I'm laying on

1839
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,780
people and it needs to be done in a way

1840
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:32,699
where people are ready to perceive the

1841
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:35,640
information so a nice print article that

1842
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:38,580
goes into the not only the statements

1843
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:41,820
but also his credentials at length is a

1844
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:44,340
great is a better way in his brain to

1845
01:16:49,010 --> 01:16:47,159
start it because it answers a lot of

1846
01:16:51,169 --> 01:16:49,020
those questions and then when people

1847
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,179
wanted to see more he thought it would

1848
01:16:55,610 --> 01:16:53,520
be good to sit down with a investigative

1849
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:55,620
journalist who's as competent and

1850
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:58,020
credentialed and award-winning is Ross

1851
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,679
coltard and sit with him for hours and

1852
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:03,600
and take any question he wants to ask

1853
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:07,140
and he did exactly that and while no

1854
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:09,300
rollout is ever perfect I thought it was

1855
01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:10,500
pretty good

1856
01:17:14,930 --> 01:17:13,380
you know he uh he answered like he

1857
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:14,940
lobbed back

1858
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:17,699
an answer to Ross and Ross said I'm

1859
01:17:22,130 --> 01:17:20,040
gonna hold you to this I love that right

1860
01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:22,140
he really pushed him on a question well

1861
01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:23,580
you know there's one other thing Martin

1862
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:24,840
I see someone else saying hey it's

1863
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,480
pretty simple go and look I agree with

1864
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:30,000
that let's remember one thing Dave grush

1865
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:32,280
has gone to the House and Senate

1866
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,199
intelligence committees and the the

1867
01:17:40,030 --> 01:17:36,540
Inspector General and to the best of my

1868
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:40,040
knowledge he has provided names dates

1869
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,020
programs and locations

1870
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:45,840
all right so what is the solution here

1871
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:48,060
well it is pretty darn simple go and

1872
01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:50,219
look yeah these committees have

1873
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,500
investigators they know how to subpoena

1874
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:55,440
material they've done this before you

1875
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:57,300
know the uh

1876
01:18:02,330 --> 01:17:59,400
they should go look

1877
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:02,340
they if they have to rate It Go rate it

1878
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:05,760
uh they have to if they can uh file the

1879
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:08,100
right paperwork to get in do that but

1880
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,719
you know uh the ball is is well look

1881
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:14,640
this this Secret's coming out no matter

1882
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,120
what anyway but it was certainly urge it

1883
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:20,880
along to see Congress get deeply

1884
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,340
involved in taking the information that

1885
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:25,679
Dave grush has provided plus these other

1886
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:28,500
whistleblowers that are behind him and

1887
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,900
say okay well we've heard a lot of

1888
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,340
specifics here

1889
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:34,920
we have investigators let's go look

1890
01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:37,320
that's my policy and I that should be

1891
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,260
their policy right right I'm not

1892
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,659
familiar with this are you uh Tim is

1893
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,640
writing uh what are your thoughts on the

1894
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,320
house reps who said they were shown

1895
01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:48,480
craft in Florida recently are you

1896
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:50,219
familiar with that I am not up on that

1897
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,659
story yeah I have not heard anything

1898
01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:53,760
about that it would be interesting to

1899
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:55,739
know more if that person wouldn't mind

1900
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:58,140
uh throwing a Lincoln

1901
01:19:03,350 --> 01:18:59,580
um you know what's funny about it though

1902
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,360
uh I'm not sure that that's uh uh true

1903
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:06,120
but I'd be I'd be really curious if

1904
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,100
somebody is alleging that the last time

1905
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:10,320
anybody claimed to have craft shown to

1906
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,540
them in Florida was Jackie Gleason who

1907
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,820
said right Richard Nixon took him a

1908
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:16,560
story I might point out

1909
01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:20,159
that I've never 100 bought into yeah

1910
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:23,820
okay however stories like that

1911
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:27,420
become more credible as we established

1912
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:28,500
that

1913
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,920
the phenomena is real and as we start to

1914
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:33,659
hear whistleblowers come forward about

1915
01:19:38,689 --> 01:19:37,440
it it makes certain stories things that

1916
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,699
you have to take a second look at

1917
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:40,800
whether it be Jackie Gleason and Richard

1918
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:43,980
Nixon going to what Homestead Air Force

1919
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,620
Base or whether it's Bob Lazar or

1920
01:19:51,070 --> 01:19:48,960
whether it's Betty and Barney Hill right

1921
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:51,080
or whether it's Roswell and by the way

1922
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:55,620
brush says without question Roswell yes

1923
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:58,140
yeah definitely was an anomalous event

1924
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:00,900
something that I've felt for years now

1925
01:20:06,530 --> 01:20:04,080
decades now but I'm real I'm speaking at

1926
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:06,540
Roswell frankly in a couple of weeks and

1927
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:08,580
I couldn't I couldn't have a better gift

1928
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:12,239
to sort of you know make this speech uh

1929
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:13,860
something I really am looking forward to

1930
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:16,620
give than to have someone of uh grush's

1931
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:20,100
abilities say that it happened

1932
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:22,920
right I had thought about going then but

1933
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:25,620
there's a conflict I'm sorry I can't see

1934
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,760
you there

1935
01:20:30,050 --> 01:20:28,320
um so

1936
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,060
um Shane wants to know any word and when

1937
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,159
we'll see the full seven hours of

1938
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:33,900
interviews I really want to break this

1939
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,719
down because I what what I don't want is

1940
01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:38,400
for people to think oh people are

1941
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,400
holding things back and then yeah I get

1942
01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:43,920
it I I understand it and I really want

1943
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,739
to address it so here here it goes yeah

1944
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:48,719
The Seven Hour thing I have to take

1945
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,640
credit for I think I must have tossed

1946
01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:53,520
that off on uh on need to know and

1947
01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:55,739
sometimes when you're lying you know you

1948
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,199
know as well as I do you know words just

1949
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:59,760
come out and then later you're like I

1950
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,560
didn't say that as artfully as I wanted

1951
01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:03,600
to you must have that happen I I

1952
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:05,580
certainly do I'm I'm a human being I

1953
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:07,020
make mistakes

1954
01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:09,659
so let me just clarify backing up to the

1955
01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:11,400
35 000 feet

1956
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,800
Dave grosh comes to Los Angeles

1957
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:16,080
we shoot a safety interview with them at

1958
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:18,360
my house right

1959
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,040
in my head it was a long time I think he

1960
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,440
was certainly at the house for four

1961
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:28,080
hours or so maybe more I don't know if

1962
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:29,820
that the camera was turned on the entire

1963
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:30,960
time

1964
01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:36,420
he goes to the North Hollywood location

1965
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:38,640
and shoots the full news Nation

1966
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,860
interview and in my head that is about

1967
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,480
three and a half hours cameras were

1968
01:21:47,090 --> 01:21:45,360
rolling but now two points point one

1969
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,100
the thing that took place on the eighth

1970
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,719
and the thing that took place on the

1971
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:50,400
ninth are roughly the same interview

1972
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:53,460
right working from the same notes so

1973
01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:56,280
even though there are moments where he

1974
01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:58,199
may have articulated what he was saying

1975
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,820
differently than other times there's

1976
01:22:04,729 --> 01:22:02,159
really one interview so now we're let's

1977
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:04,739
talk about as if there's just three

1978
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,820
hours of tape rolling okay people who

1979
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:10,800
have seen interviews with tape rolling

1980
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:13,980
also will understand in that three plus

1981
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:17,340
hours there were stops and starts there

1982
01:22:22,910 --> 01:22:19,860
were moments where the camera guys going

1983
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,920
I gotta change uh you know I gotta do

1984
01:22:26,990 --> 01:22:24,360
something or the lighting guys that

1985
01:22:28,729 --> 01:22:27,000
light went out or let's go have lunch or

1986
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:28,739
you know there's just things that happen

1987
01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:31,260
during that thing and then there's also

1988
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:34,920
repetition and there's there's things so

1989
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,380
out of that three hours uh I don't know

1990
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:39,600
but there's less than three hours of

1991
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,280
actual content so what has aired so far

1992
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,860
in my view having listened to both of

1993
01:22:51,410 --> 01:22:48,540
those interviews

1994
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:51,420
um the revelations if you will

1995
01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:54,780
that are in the one hour news Nation

1996
01:22:59,570 --> 01:22:57,060
show

1997
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:59,580
pretty well hit the highlights okay now

1998
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,040
if you were to see the entire uncut

1999
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,800
interview uh there might be a little a

2000
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:07,199
little bit of amplification or you'd

2001
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,179
have more time to study his face as he

2002
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:11,040
I'm not saying you shouldn't see that

2003
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:14,699
but it's also not as simple as well hey

2004
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:16,199
why are you guys holding it back why

2005
01:23:20,209 --> 01:23:17,820
don't you just put it out there well

2006
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:20,219
again news Nation

2007
01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:23,340
um in order to provide the platform to

2008
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:26,340
get it out there and to provide the

2009
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:28,980
money to shoot it appropriately

2010
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:32,760
um has the rights to deal with

2011
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,460
the the video I'm not privy to that deal

2012
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,860
but obviously they get first bite of the

2013
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:39,900
apple and they've they've taken it with

2014
01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:43,440
the promos followed by the show and um

2015
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,920
I believe negotiate not negotiations I

2016
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:49,920
believe conversations are being had

2017
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:50,460
um

2018
01:23:55,729 --> 01:23:52,620
to figure out what is the proper

2019
01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:55,739
platform to at least edit together the

2020
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,199
sort of the the I guess I'm going to

2021
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,000
call it the director's cut or whatever

2022
01:24:06,410 --> 01:24:03,120
you know the the part with all the

2023
01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:06,420
that shows all the

2024
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:07,980
stuff that wouldn't make it into a

2025
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:10,140
network cut and I think people are

2026
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:11,940
looking into doing that so it's a

2027
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:14,760
process and um and again I'm not in

2028
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,679
charge of the process

2029
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:18,239
um I didn't make any of these deals

2030
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:22,020
there it's not my uh it's not my tape I

2031
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:23,940
guess I technically

2032
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,760
well I guess if new news Nation owns the

2033
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:28,560
tape of their interview because they put

2034
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,540
up the money and shot it I probably own

2035
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:32,760
the first one because my son shot it and

2036
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:36,239
I paid him so you know maybe but that

2037
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,040
one looks a little more like a hostage

2038
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,840
video and it's it's it you know it's not

2039
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:42,239
adding I'm going to review all of it I'm

2040
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:44,940
in the yeah my son and I are in the

2041
01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:47,940
process of reviewing that first tape uh

2042
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,860
which takes a while because first you

2043
01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:51,960
have to look at the news Nation tape and

2044
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:53,640
now I'm looking at the first date and

2045
01:24:57,169 --> 01:24:55,140
I'm trying to see are there

2046
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,179
contradictions or anything that deserves

2047
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,239
to be talked about yeah I can't do that

2048
01:25:06,530 --> 01:25:03,120
overnight I'm doing it as best I can and

2049
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,540
uh also uh I don't want to undermine the

2050
01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:08,340
people who were nice enough to shoot the

2051
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:11,300
news Nation tape in the first place yeah

2052
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:14,340
yeah the uh biggest complaint I'm

2053
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:15,900
hearing out there and just to get it out

2054
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:18,719
uh people are saying why don't we have

2055
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,060
you know the documents why don't we have

2056
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:23,400
the direct evidence I mean do you think

2057
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:25,020
we can look forward to the possibility

2058
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:26,480
of seeing do you think there'll be

2059
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:29,400
transparency eventually if if it comes

2060
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:32,460
to that sure but I mean again Dave grush

2061
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:34,860
didn't get to leave with documents and

2062
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:37,080
photos right when he walked out of the

2063
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:40,800
Pentagon on bad terms basically they're

2064
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,320
not loading them up with suitcases and

2065
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,080
hard drives that's not how it works now

2066
01:25:50,689 --> 01:25:48,420
do you think it will lead go to these

2067
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,699
the Senate uh to the Senate the house

2068
01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:53,040
and the Inspector General because they

2069
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:55,140
do have the classification

2070
01:26:01,729 --> 01:25:58,320
right and he was able in some way shape

2071
01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:01,739
or form to turn them on to documents and

2072
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:04,500
and other evidence and it will be up to

2073
01:26:10,729 --> 01:26:08,159
the people in our nation who who make

2074
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:10,739
the decisions about classification which

2075
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,560
is a Hot Topic right now to decide what

2076
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,440
of that can or cannot be classified

2077
01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:18,480
Declassified into a public hearing but

2078
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:20,699
it's not up to Ross Colt art or Leslie

2079
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,760
Kane or Ralph Blumenthal and it's not

2080
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,440
even up to Dave Crush

2081
01:26:32,570 --> 01:26:28,320
I mean he's done what he's done the best

2082
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:32,580
a guy in his position can do and I my uh

2083
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:36,120
my admiration for his courage and his

2084
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:38,460
guts and his essential patriotism

2085
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:41,580
remains undiminished at this time

2086
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:43,800
you know I the one thing I'm worried

2087
01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:45,780
about is the umbrella of National

2088
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,860
Security and that you know we may not

2089
01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:51,360
ever get to know more I'm worried about

2090
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:53,699
that but I mean no sense worrying it

2091
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:56,100
it's either going to happen or it's not

2092
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:58,620
as far as uh we're going to know or or

2093
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:01,320
not know it's a question that a lot of

2094
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,760
people have there was some other people

2095
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,679
asking the same thing do you believe

2096
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:06,719
more witnesses will step forward

2097
01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:10,860
especially direct Witnesses yes

2098
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:13,739
by the way I see something here and I

2099
01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:15,179
um

2100
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:17,159
power of one says too much about making

2101
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,500
money rather than getting the evidence I

2102
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:21,840
I'm sorry you feel that way I I really

2103
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:24,000
am I don't see anybody making a ton of

2104
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,040
money off anything it takes money to

2105
01:27:31,129 --> 01:27:29,040
shoot things and to platform them and I

2106
01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:31,139
don't see anybody

2107
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:33,719
making a lot of money I see people who

2108
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:36,060
care about this topic doing the best

2109
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:38,699
they can under difficult circumstances

2110
01:27:45,649 --> 01:27:42,659
and um and that's how I see it yeah

2111
01:27:47,570 --> 01:27:45,659
yep uh yeah I agree with that

2112
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,580
well I want to Bryce I want to thank you

2113
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,159
so much it's been another wonderful

2114
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:52,800
conversations we've had many and uh it's

2115
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,320
been really enjoyable and the show again

2116
01:28:00,169 --> 01:27:57,600
the need to know uh the Youtube channel

2117
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,179
everything is is down below in the text

2118
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:02,639
and or in the show notes and check out

2119
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,679
it's a great show I try not to miss them

2120
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:06,960
and uh really enjoy what you and Ross

2121
01:28:11,629 --> 01:28:09,300
are doing together well we enjoy your

2122
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:11,639
show and and again just like the guys

2123
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:13,500
who said they were from o and I and just

2124
01:28:18,729 --> 01:28:15,239
like Dave grush you've been to my house

2125
01:28:21,410 --> 01:28:18,739
so there you go that's right

2126
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:21,420
it's a beautiful place yes yeah well

2127
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:23,460
thank you listen thanks so much for the

2128
01:28:27,410 --> 01:28:25,560
interview thank you to all of you for

2129
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:27,420
your great comments I really appreciate

2130
01:28:31,729 --> 01:28:29,340
it and we're each learning a little bit

2131
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,739
more all the time and and I look forward

2132
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:34,800
to uh getting the answers so thanks

2133
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,739
again yes very good take care

2134
01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:39,960
all right everyone so I don't know why

2135
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:42,840
I'm not back here there it is uh so I'm

2136
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:44,940
back next week with Richard solder now I

2137
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,060
I had Glenn Richardson was scheduled for

2138
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,679
this week but I thought it was it was

2139
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:51,480
too important and that could happen

2140
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:54,360
again depending if I get another very

2141
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:55,679
important

2142
01:29:00,890 --> 01:28:58,560
um you know guest for next week so far I

2143
01:29:02,810 --> 01:29:00,900
have scheduled uh Richard souter he

2144
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,820
should be on next week and I want to

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thank everyone uh for watching and

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listening and remember to keep your eyes

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to the sky